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PP Stalling (Suggestion of the gym rules POKEFLASH)

lenonino

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Hello my name is Lenonino and I Just come here peacefully to just state my personal opinion which is nothing against any of the gymleaders at all that I Have been facing but more that I Feel that it is wrong in itself.

I Am talking about PP Stalling.

It has been pretty clear in my mind over the past 15 years of playing this game what pp stalling is and I Have never really heard anyone say anything different about it at all for that time. In multiple occasions when I Have been using cosmic power on the server with my clefable to be able to boost my stats against my opponent. Using Cosmic power is a way so that I May use stored power effectively. When I Use Moonlight to heal back up 2-3 times in a row it has absolutely 0 to do with pp stalling. Moonlight has 5 pp if anyone even wondered that in the first place and yes can be maxed out by items but its not something that I Have done. Using moonlight in a way when you are setting up allows you to get another cosmic power up or perhaps survive 1-4 more hits from your opponent so that you can take advantage of the situation and win. This has absolutely 0 and i mean 0 to do with pp stalling. I Have really been enjoying my stay at the server and this again is absolutely nothing against anyone just that I Think that its a rule that in my personal opinion is a bit too radically used by some, and again I Want us all to be friends still so nobody should feel offended by this in general.


Let me demonstrate an example of what pp stalling is for me:

The user has 0 moves left on the mon except defog and haze and the opponent can not attack you effectively so you just wait there for 20-25 turns for them to run out of pp.
This is also another example:

Toxapex Used Haze
Pyukumuku Used Haze
Toxapex Used Haze
Pyukumuku Used Haze
(Goes on and on and on)

Attacking user has 5 pp left:
Zapdos uses Roost
Rillaboom uses Grassy Glide
Finally Rillaboom uses struggle and zapdos wins that way.

A user is spamming recover/roost until the opponent runs out of pp.

An instance that is NOT pp stalling (In my eyes)

Dragonite uses Dragon Dance 3-4 times
Dragonite uses Roost 2-3 times
Toxapex uses Scald 5-7 times
And finally Dragonite uses Earthquake and Extreme speed to finish the rest of the team off

Same strat can be used with mons such as Clefable CP/CM/Stored Power Soft-Boiled/Roost Corviknight Roost/Iron Defence Body press Volcarona Quiver Dance/Roost/Heat Wave/Bug buzz

PP Stalling is described in a completely different way everywhere else but on this server so I Am very surprised in general.

Also i have noticed in the rules it says no variations of pp stalling and this is not a variation of a pp stall. It is a strat to boost your stats to be more efficient it has nothing to do with wasting turns and pp from the opponent its a part of the game.

Feel free to share if you disagree with me and I Have a lot of love for the community and a lot of respect for all of you guys so please once more do not feel offended and lets just have a conversation about this as I See it as a very important matter to discuss.

Examples of other Pokemon communities online (Not pixelmon) Describing pp stalling:

-Smogon https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/philosophy-of-stall.3588352/ Here you have a link to Smogon where some of the mods and honored players that have won several awards on the platform explain why things like stalling for 30 turns is a strat, Now I Am still not a fan of PP Stalling but this is what they describe pp stalling as which is something that they still allow although I Would not want this server to go that far to allow it they still have a point. And this matter that has happened is not even close to pp stalling and we are talking about 2-3 turns. However what is not allowed on there is a different kind of stall which is time stalling and its not time stalling to waste 1 minute setting up 3 cosmic powers and using moonlight once or twice.

- One of the bigger Pokemon games on the PC (mmo) Not sure If i am allowed to type the name even if this is a pixelmon server I Want to be careful:

PP-stalling: Using moves to unnecessarily extend a matches duration with no proper reasoning such as using healing moves instead of attacking.
(Except that if you heal with a thought in mind of getting off another cosmic power/Dragon dance/quiver dance and allow you to survive 1-3 more hits and then kill it is for a PROPER REASON.)

Thank you folks have a wonderful day and please do not hate me for having this opinion about this matter if its different from yours.

Kind Regards
Lenonino
 

Grodziecki

Member
Im sorry but No. you are not right.
PP stalling doesnt mean healing until someone has to use struggle, it means that you do NOT use PP when the opponent has to:
Toxapex switch to Mienshao both regenerator ability, opponent cant do anything to stop you. That is PP stalling.
Zapdos spamming Roost? Its not It’s Just a very annoying thing people can do, also as far as I know PP max/ups really can prevent this kind of action so use them
 

lenonino

New member
Im sorry but No. you are not right.
PP stalling doesnt mean healing until someone has to use struggle, it means that you do NOT use PP when the opponent has to:
Toxapex switch to Mienshao both regenerator ability, opponent cant do anything to stop you. That is PP stalling.
Zapdos spamming Roost? Its not It’s Just a very annoying thing people can do, also as far as I know PP max/ups really can prevent this kind of action so use them
That is one way of pp stalling but there are several ways of doing so. If you know that your zapdos has more pp then the other and just spam the same moves like protect roost and let the opponent waste their pp that is also pp stalling so you are correct about the regenerator ability but you are not correct about it being other ways to pp stall people.

Edit: @Grodziecki Spamming roost on zapdos for example is allowed for example if the opponent has a poisoned mon and zapdos just heals until it dies that is for example not pp stalling. But if you do it for the specific purpose of it running out of pp and dying to damage of struggle and not for example any status conditions that is considered pp stalling because you are just waiting for the opponent to run out of pp.

Either way I Have now also gotten several discord messages from all kinds of members from the different realms of the server who is also very confused about why what I Was doing was considered pp stalling. So in any case I Suggest making a thread about what is considered pp stalling so that the gym leaders and players can be redirected from the rules page on to this other forum post that explains pp stalling to prevent any further confusion.
 

stevemerchant

New member
I agree with you fully on this one, was in the exact same situation today using that clef set against a poison gym on splash. If i don't cosmic power up then im throwing the game because my clef will get ones hot by a stab poison move. Since the server pulls a lot of it's rules from smogon I really question why this is a perceived problem.
 

Papaa_

PokeBlaze Admin & Gym Manager
A lot of the time it's pretty clear when someone is PP stalling because they are doing it when in hindsight it doesn't change the result of the match. That's when it can be seen in a bad light tbh because it's a waste of everyone's time.

Rarely see it happen though.
 

lenonino

New member
A lot of the time it's pretty clear when someone is PP stalling because they are doing it when in hindsight it doesn't change the result of the match. That's when it can be seen in a bad light tbh because it's a waste of everyone's time.

Rarely see it happen though.
However this is not what PP Stalling is defined as. What you are describing is time stalling. This what I Am explaining is not a waste of everyones time because I Am basically describing me setting up mid game or beginning of the battle to go for a win. Plus a cosmic power clefable can easily 1v3 if played correctly against the right pokemons so therefor its not even considered as a type of stall but just as a comeback. The way you beat this is using Taunt which I Honestly recommend those who really dont like this type of plays to occur in the first place. If the server in any way is against setup and has a rule against this, what I Have been describing would not be allowed but since there are no rules like this against setting up when there is actually a point and tactic that could work to win the battle then this is completely allowed and the only thing I Am suggesting is to have a thread describing what PP Stalling truely is. My general saying is that gymleaders should not be able to warn or disqualify someone who is doing this for a valid purpose because it is not time wasting at all.

Also battles are supposed to be tough as 2 trainers battle it out to try to see who is the best. In the end we are battling because its fun and long battles might not be fun for everyone but its like in chess you have so many different combinations of moves that you can make and you need to strategize to find a way to beat it. That is why there are illegal moves such as the queen just taking down the king turn one because thats not how you generally move in that game and its against the rules.

My point is setup based moves with recovery is not banned and should never be considered as any stalling but as a beauty of a game and thats just how it is.
 

Papaa_

PokeBlaze Admin & Gym Manager
However this is not what PP Stalling is defined as. What you are describing is time stalling. This what I Am explaining is not a waste of everyones time because I Am basically describing me setting up mid game or beginning of the battle to go for a win. Plus a cosmic power clefable can easily 1v3 if played correctly against the right pokemons so therefor its not even considered as a type of stall but just as a comeback. The way you beat this is using Taunt which I Honestly recommend those who really dont like this type of plays to occur in the first place. If the server in any way is against setup and has a rule against this, what I Have been describing would not be allowed but since there are no rules like this against setting up when there is actually a point and tactic that could work to win the battle then this is completely allowed and the only thing I Am suggesting is to have a thread describing what PP Stalling truely is. My general saying is that gymleaders should not be able to warn or disqualify someone who is doing this for a valid purpose because it is not time wasting at all.

Also battles are supposed to be tough as 2 trainers battle it out to try to see who is the best. In the end we are battling because its fun and long battles might not be fun for everyone but its like in chess you have so many different combinations of moves that you can make and you need to strategize to find a way to beat it. That is why there are illegal moves such as the queen just taking down the king turn one because thats not how you generally move in that game and its against the rules.

My point is setup based moves with recovery is not banned and should never be considered as any stalling but as a beauty of a game and thats just how it is.
So are you looking for something to be changed or explaining PP stalling, I must be confused 😅
 

lenonino

New member
So are you looking for something to be changed or explaining PP stalling, I must be confused 😅
I'm looking for PP stalling to be defined to all gym leaders what it actually is. Which is what I explained above things like setup are not pp stalling etc. The players that run the gyms should know exactly what it is and when it is clear that someone is. pp stalling because clearly not everyone is aware of it. Like I also wrote one solution could be to make a sub post so that when you read the gym rules you can click on "pp stalling explained here" and you get redirected to a page where the server explains what pp stalling and time stalling is. So yes I am looking for it to be explained so that there can be a change on the server where you won't have the problem in half of the gym battles that someone tells you that setting up cosmic power and healing to go for a sweep is not pp stalling. Because when people indicate that it is pp stalling its just not right. And nobody should be warned or be disqualified for this particular matter which again is why it should be explained in a official post so that gymleaders who don't know 100% what it is can know.
 

Papaa_

PokeBlaze Admin & Gym Manager
Idk this post seems pretty inconsice, just a lot going on in it. Still though pp stalling rarely happens.
 

lenonino

New member
Idk this post seems pretty inconsice, just a lot going on in it. Still though pp stalling rarely happens.
Alright since you do not understand what I Am saying still allow me to describe it again hopefully you understand.

If you are a player using setup based moves alongside recovery which is a normal tactic you should not get warned in 9-10 out of your 18 gym battles that you do on flash for doing such a strategy.

I Am not speaking about PP Stalling as a whole but to the level that some of the gym leaders on flash has taken it to in terms of the rule in itself.

This is important because you cannot and really you cannot allow yourself as a gym leader to warn or disqualify other players for using a strategy like this and doing so makes that gym leader someone who does not follow the gym rules clearly.

With that said once again I Am talking about what has happened on Flash and although pp stalling does not happen often I Am speaking about a strategy that is not pp stalling yet is considered by these specific Gym Leaders to be PP Stalling right?

So this means that there should be a solution for how to tackle this so that it wont happen again which does not take a lot of time to do btw. Simply a PP Stalling explained thread that people can redirect themselfs to from the gym rules so that people actually know what pp stalling is and dont get warned or disqualified for doing this strategy. It is completely ridiculous and has not happened to me. The solution to preventing this takes a max of 20 minutes if not even less to put out and since it has not been only me who has been affected by this by using this strategy all gym leaders should read that specific thread to learn what pp stalling really is and what it is not. Its as simple as that.
 

Papaa_

PokeBlaze Admin & Gym Manager
Alright since you do not understand what I Am saying still allow me to describe it again hopefully you understand.

If you are a player using setup based moves alongside recovery which is a normal tactic you should not get warned in 9-10 out of your 18 gym battles that you do on flash for doing such a strategy.

I Am not speaking about PP Stalling as a whole but to the level that some of the gym leaders on flash has taken it to in terms of the rule in itself.

This is important because you cannot and really you cannot allow yourself as a gym leader to warn or disqualify other players for using a strategy like this and doing so makes that gym leader someone who does not follow the gym rules clearly.

With that said once again I Am talking about what has happened on Flash and although pp stalling does not happen often I Am speaking about a strategy that is not pp stalling yet is considered by these specific Gym Leaders to be PP Stalling right?

So this means that there should be a solution for how to tackle this so that it wont happen again which does not take a lot of time to do btw. Simply a PP Stalling explained thread that people can redirect themselfs to from the gym rules so that people actually know what pp stalling is and dont get warned or disqualified for doing this strategy. It is completely ridiculous and has not happened to me. The solution to preventing this takes a max of 20 minutes if not even less to put out and since it has not been only me who has been affected by this by using this strategy all gym leaders should read that specific thread to learn what pp stalling really is and what it is not. Its as simple as that.
I reckon getting in contact with Flash's gym manager is probably best as forums is kinda for all servers. If it hasn't happened to you though I still don't see much of a problem. I also recommend telling your gym manager who is doing this then and dqing people.
 

lenonino

New member
I reckon getting in contact with Flash's gym manager is probably best as forums is kinda for all servers. If it hasn't happened to you though I still don't see much of a problem. I also recommend telling your gym manager who is doing this then and dqing people.
It has happened to me and to multiple people... I Am not really sure who is the gym manager of flash atm ill reach out but i think a thread explaining pp stalling is good for all servers with that rule. Like this is what it has all been about in the first place that this has happened to me and others too. If this did not happen to me why would i be writing here in the first place xD
 

Danasaurr

Member
our gym manager is yooz, you can dm him on discord about this but honestly we like gym leaders have a bit of freedom over their gyms as well. If they feel someone is unnecessarily stalling out the battle that's their call usually. And if you don't like how a certain leader rules it just dont battle em and request another leader ;)
 

lenonino

New member
our gym manager is yooz, you can dm him on discord about this but honestly we like gym leaders have a bit of freedom over their gyms as well. If they feel someone is unnecessarily stalling out the battle that's their call usually. And if you don't like how a certain leader rules it just dont battle em and request another leader ;)
I Will surely message him about this then thank you. I However want to say some things about what you just said. The problem with not battling a certain gym leader is that not everyone can be online at the same time and sometimes that is your only option due to timezones otherwise you would have to wait for a very long time for someone to get on that does not say that (Setting up is stalling) Because there is liturally no way that the gym rules would imply in any way that setup would be allowed. That freedom I Assume it goes to a certain point but this is honestly a point where the gym leader is completely wrong as this has 0 to do with stalling and so does the other 22 people who upvoted my vote on the suggestions in the discord.
 

Danasaurr

Member
and you can always report gym leaders to the gym manager if you feel they are being unfair, and pp stalling is not allowed either way. I doubt this rule would change but if you ever want to know how flash rules it you can ask gym staff or gym manager
 

Papaa_

PokeBlaze Admin & Gym Manager
Alright since you do not understand what I Am saying still allow me to describe it again hopefully you understand.

If you are a player using setup based moves alongside recovery which is a normal tactic you should not get warned in 9-10 out of your 18 gym battles that you do on flash for doing such a strategy.

I Am not speaking about PP Stalling as a whole but to the level that some of the gym leaders on flash has taken it to in terms of the rule in itself.

This is important because you cannot and really you cannot allow yourself as a gym leader to warn or disqualify other players for using a strategy like this and doing so makes that gym leader someone who does not follow the gym rules clearly.

With that said once again I Am talking about what has happened on Flash and although pp stalling does not happen often I Am speaking about a strategy that is not pp stalling yet is considered by these specific Gym Leaders to be PP Stalling right?

So this means that there should be a solution for how to tackle this so that it wont happen again which does not take a lot of time to do btw. Simply a PP Stalling explained thread that people can redirect themselfs to from the gym rules so that people actually know what pp stalling is and dont get warned or disqualified for doing this strategy. It is completely ridiculous and has not happened to me. The solution to preventing this takes a max of 20 minutes if not even less to put out and since it has not been only me who has been affected by this by using this strategy all gym leaders should read that specific thread to learn what pp stalling really is and what it is not. Its as simple as that.
It has happened to me and to multiple people... I Am not really sure who is the gym manager of flash atm ill reach out but i think a thread explaining pp stalling is good for all servers with that rule. Like this is what it has all been about in the first place that this has happened to me and others too. If this did not happen to me why would i be writing here in the first place xD
I was just basing it off the bit where you said it didn't happen to you but that must of been a typo mb.

I underlined it in bold.
 

lenonino

New member
I was just basing it off the bit where you said it didn't happen to you but that must of been a typo mb.

I underlined it in bold.
My bad on the first one. I Have not been disqualified I Have how ever been warned on multiple occasions. And I Am not the only one who has been warned on that matter thats why it should be more details in that explanation. Now I understand why you said what you said. My bad.
and you can always report gym leaders to the gym manager if you feel they are being unfair, and pp stalling is not allowed either way. I doubt this rule would change but if you ever want to know how flash rules it you can ask gym staff or gym manager
I Am actually never in this thread suggesting that we remove pp stalling rule as a whole. The only thing I Have been suggesting in this thread and with my suggestions so far is that we make a sub-thread where PP Stalling is exaplained so that it is clear for all since clearly it is not. Like I Said i can speak about this matter with the gym manager but thats not going to solve anything in a long term period. That is why I Have now said on multiple occasions here that we make a sub thread that we should be redirected to when we see the PP Stalling rule on the gym rules that explains pp stalling. Because setting up on your opponent is not pp stalling in this case i am describing.
 

Palacity2020_B

New member
Wouldnt it just be easier to send it in suggestions in discord? Higher chance of acceptance, but if you arent allowed then its understandable
 
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